It's Star Wars time again, folks (it is my favorite movie of all time, after all). Last week when I posted about EVIL I mentioned that I was tempted to post about it within the Star Wars universe, in particular about why Jedi Order of the pre-imperial era was so ripe for the creation of Darth Vader, and some folks asked me to actually write that post, so here it is.
In the days of the old Republic, the Jedi Order had significant power, at least in the core worlds. They had a huge temple with vast grounds and resources right in the heart of the capitol planet, Courasant. At that time there were thousands of Jedi, all ultimately controlled through one central, and fairly small counsel. But forget the counsel. Thousands of Jedi. How did they get so many people to agree to live the life of the selfless monk? For starters, they captured them as babies.
Is captured a strong word? Heck yeah. But it's what they did. They had the power and influence, so that when a child in the core worlds was "identified" they would take them into the Jedi fold. And the Jedi were forbidden from having babies themselves, so that means all new recruits were taken from non-Jedi households (woah). Then the children were raised by their Jedi captors to learn nothing but what the Jedi taught. Think about that, what does that sound like? If you said cult, you're thinkin' like me. When Anakin Skywalker was first discovered on Tattooine (outside the core worlds) he was dismissed as too old by some on the counsel and he was only 9! This seems to indicate that the counsel knew that some level of
So the Jedi get their little future padawans as babies,
Now you might be thinking that I've forgotten that Jedi do leave the order. Duku left. Obi-wan warned Anakin that he could be expelled. So one must assume there are some number of Jedi cast-offs wandering around the galaxy. But why so few? Well, it would be a pretty hard choice to make, after all that time the Jedi had invested into filling your head with doctrine and cutting you off from the outside.
Imagine, you're a young Jedi Knight. You've never known your family, maybe you've never really felt loved. You've got all those hormones of a young adult human (let's go with human for this example, I don't know much about the hormones of a Mon Cal or Bothan or anything else really), you fall hard for some hottie, maybe even another Jedi (I've heard stories from boarding schools, there's got to be some hanky-panky goin' down in the Jedi dorms), the two of you are in love (and/or lust). Then you and your master get sent to the other end of the galaxy on some wild bantha chase, and you're not sure when you'll come back. It's a classic conundrum You might think to quit the order. But since you've spent your whole life with the Jedi Order you don't have any other support structure. No way to find a regular job. People don't trust you if you say you're a ex-Jedi (I bet they don't really even trust the regular Jedi, baby-snatching, mind-controlling freaks with swords, I mean really), but you have no other education or connections. So maybe you don't quit. You just stay in the order, getting more and more upset at how you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. One day you're going to snap and somebody is going to end up eating lightsaber.
Why isn't that a more common story? Or maybe it is and the Jedi just don't want us to know. Maybe it doesn't matter because all the angry/depressed/sad/disillusioned Jedi don't have half the raw Force ability as Anakin Skywalker. So was the Jedi Order really "good"? Or were they just getting away with being a big intergalactic bully until they finally ran into somebody stronger than them? Does anybody else feel a little bit bad for Anakin, like you can see why from his perspective the Jedi are evil? Yeah, I thought so.
I don't really like Star Wars and I finally feel justified in that. Thanks.ReplyDelete
boo, that wasn't my point at allDelete
Wow, I never quite thought of the Jedi this way, but definitely you make a valid point here. I do love Star Wars though and seriously enjoyed this immensely. Thank you for sharing this and linking up with us, too!! :)ReplyDelete
yay Star Wars. yay linkups. :)Delete
I watched Star Wars. I enjoyed Star Wars multiple times, although I didn't really get Anakin's side of things until the prequels. I thought the Jedis were kind of wonky and suspect. I can totally see why Anakin hates them, but then there's the part where he kills the wife he's always loved. That pretty much killed my empathy for him.ReplyDelete
I don't think it's clear that he kills her. I'd say he physically abuses her and that causes her to have a breakdown that ends up killing her ("physically she's perfectly healthy, but for some reason, we're losing her")Delete
I lost 99% of my empathy when he killed younglings.
The Jedi as articulated in the original 3 are so, so different from the midiclorianocratic zealots of the prequels that I'm inclined to say "ugh whatever" rather than engage in any serious speculation on their merits, but I will say: a lifetime of training in magic warrior powers would leave you with plenty of options if you ever decided (and were permitted) to walk away.ReplyDelete
I LOVE the Jedi as perceived and (in the EU books) propagated by Luke. But he does much of what he does by disobeying Yoda and Obi-Wan. So even in the original movies the Jedi are shady, but LUKE he's fucking balls awesome.Delete
Wow! You know your Star Wars. I never thought of the Jedi from this perspective before. It kind of sounds like the priesthood or nun...hood? I watched Star Wars and the other two that followed a number of times growing up and in my 20s, but never understood the movies until I saw the first three. Then it all made sense!!! My husband and kids love them.ReplyDelete
I know right? Jedi are totally like the priesthood!Delete
Never really thought this much about it before. I think the first three are more like soap operas, and you don't necessarily get an in-depth look at their personalities. The prequels, however, give you more insight, though not a particular clarity. I felt like the whole thing was too damn rushed. And I didn't really appreciate Qui-Gon taking Anakin away from his mom. Too much for a 9 year old.ReplyDelete
wow - i really love star wars, but you'd never know it from this comment, lol.
Yeah people have called the original a space opera. One thing I loved about the prequals is how flawed the Jedi are. I think Luke is much wider than his masters in so many waysDelete
More of a Star Trek fan here, but this is a great post!ReplyDelete
Personally, the three original movies were classics and were like a soap opera. The three newer prequels kinda stunk. Jar Jar Binks ruined that movie for me.
The prequels have their good spots, but yeah, of course they aren't as good as the originals. The best way to watch Star Wars and be inclusive of the prequals is to either watch the Phantom Edit (the version of Episode I where fans edited Jar Jar out) or the machette order (IV, V, II, III, VI), that cuts out Episode I entirely, and is a fabulous story arch, but I do love the Obi-Wan/Qui-gon/Darth Maul fight, so I still go back to Ep I occasionally.Delete
I'm in the boat with Phil and you'd probably be shocked (and maybe appalled as well) to know that I haven't seen one Star Wars movie. Nope. Not any of them. I'm more familiar with Lucas because of his career and I'm familiar of the effect Star Wars has had on our culture for so long...but I don't know nearly enough about Jedi and those other folks to form an opinion about the matter. May the Force be with You! Yeah, that just about sums up the extent of my Star Wars knowledge.ReplyDelete
Hey, I have great news though...you have a "Sisterhood of the World" award waiting for you over at The Madlab Post. I posted the badge on my latest Monday Movie Meme blog post and it is available for you to pick up, display and enjoy as you may :)
I can't believe you haven't seen a single Star Wars movie! I hear this sometimes, and I'm not appalled so much as... in disbelief? It's like somebody saying they never noticed the moon. How? :)
Interesting take on Jedi ... very impressed with the Star Wars detail here ... Darth Vader fascinated my son for some time, so we had our Star Wars phase, but wow, this is good.ReplyDelete
I'm so late reading this... OMG you're right! I need to watch them all again. I always took exception to QGJ and OW taking Anakin from his mom and leaving her to slave away on Tattoine...ReplyDelete
I know right! It's so callus.Delete
Obi-wan has some personal evil problems too -- Leaving Darth Vader/Anakin near a river of lava with no arms or legs to die. Hopefully Luke will fix the Jedi Order in Episode VII.ReplyDelete